Thank you, Sara. I got to listen to your ACS Publications webinar yesterday and really appreciated the way you so thoughtfully and comprehensively laid out challenges before publishers.

 

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From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Sara Rouhi
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2025 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] Follow ups as promised: Links/notes on knowledge sovereignty webinar and musings on S2O

 

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Greetings, list friends and colleagues,

 

As promised to Rick and the group, I owe some follow up from the last month.

 

First! Summaries/links to OA webinar on knowledge sovereignty: We actually did two webinars during OA week, one on tech/politics in an OA world and the knowledge sovereignty discussion. This list specifically asked for notes/highlights from the latter. The recordings are here (for technology and politics) and here (for knowledge sovereignty). And the webinar summaries for both webinars are here and here respectively. 

 

Second - AIP Fusion update: I’ll post separately once I have the link to the Dec 3 webinar registration available.

 

Third - Subscribe 2 Open: I spoke about the macro issues this week at the ACS Publications webinar (on-demand recording is here). My closing comments at the webinar focused on the growing threats/pressures facing smaller and non-profit publishers — all of which massively drive up cost, which models have to accommodate. So yes, a revenue growth strategy has to exist for all publishers to survive these new market pressures. The core challenges I spoke about were:

  1. Fractured global publishing model and business model priorities aka the expense of maintaining infrastructure/support for many models
  1. Research fraud as a criminal enterprise 
  1. AI as a boon/curse on mis/dis-information tool when trust in institutions/science is at an all time low
  1. Geopolitical uncertainty - shifting STI priorities at the national/trans-national level globally

 

WRT to S2O as a model specifically, speaking for myself, I salute and have always supported S2O as a model and the Community of Practice as an instance of cross-ecosystem collaboration, vital to surviving this period of uncertainty. 

 

Orgs/platforms like BioOne, Project MUSE, and so many others are engaging responsibly to support their communities. If they walk away, pivot, or iterate on S2O, I’ll salute that work too if it’s transparently explained/shared for the betterment of the community. I urge folks on this list to take announcements of model changes/pivots as examples of iterative pragmatism, not indictments of any specific model. 

 

I think we can all agree that given the uncertainty engulfing all of us right now, experimentation and agility are more important than ever. Kudos to those who are engaging transparently in this way. 

Fusion update to come pending webinar link,

Sara

 

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From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Sara Rouhi <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2025 at 4:09
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Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] AIP Publishing discontinues its S2O program

Hi all - I have a lot of thoughts here but am cramming to prep slides for this ACS Publications webinar next week. Then I realized — why not make my presentation a direct response to this debate?

 

So, if everyone is ok with it, I’m going to screenshot a subset of the discussion and use it as a jumping off point. Register and join if you want to spar in real time. I’ll then try to synthesize a coherent summary to share here.

 

TLDR: Many things are driving cost for small and medium sized publishers. Our stakeholders are in constant disagreement. Libraries and authors often want very different things, often with little awareness/interest in equities driving other stakeholders in the ecosystem. Result? Do the best you can. Partner and collaborate across the ecosystem transparently. Engage with good faith feedback. Iterate.

 

We’ve done that with our new model. I’d like to see other open infrastructure and open science advocates provide the level of transparency that we have re: their costs/margins. It’s not easy. I get it, trust me.

 

Statements like "The hunt for growth and profit making for journals is a scourge on the whole academic endeavour” are reductive and unhelpful, in my view. The snarky response would be, “Great. Call us when you’ve changed the global research incentive structure." That, too, is reductive and unhelpful.

 

Food for thought, but more on Tuesday,

Sara

 

PS - I know I promised a synthesis of our knowledge sovereignty webinar and more on AIP Fusion — all coming next week, when I come up for air. Haven’t forgotten!

 

 

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From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2025 at 3:38
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> I think language is important and on a spectrum sustainability currently can

> perhaps be seen as anywhere between GROWTH <_______________> SURVIVAL.

 

I agree, and I like the way you’ve laid this out, Bernie. I also think that this would make a compelling topic for a conference session.

 

 

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From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Bernie Folan <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Thursday, November 6, 2025 at 4:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] AIP Publishing discontinues its S2O program

 

I take that point Rick but "“scaling or monetizing the journals’ steady expansion" is not synonymous with sustainability in its true sense.

 

The community is talking at cross purposes if sustain can refer to survival, maintenance, growth and expansion all at the same time.

 

I don't mean to dance on the head of a pin but talking from a small organisation where every € is carefully managed and growth and expansion a dream, sustainability means something specific to me that differs from how it was used in other settings I have experienced.

 

I want to make it clear this is not a commentary on AIP or any other organisation that thankfully is prepared to experiment with different models to find greater participation. This is to be applauded..

 

I think language is important and on a spectrum sustainability currently can perhaps be seen as anywhere between GROWTH <_______________> SURVIVAL.

 

Maybe there's an OASPA session in this...

 

Bernie

      

 

 

 

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 at 19:23, Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

If we came up with a different word, would it affect the structural reality referred to in AIP’s announcement? When all the rhetorical framing has been done, the bills either can be paid or can’t.

 

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From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Bernie Folan <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Thursday, November 6, 2025 at 2:04 AM
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As often is the case, I'm pondering the word sustainable and acknowledging it means different things to different people and organisations. This gets serious, job losses and acquisitions seem abundant.

 

After a trip down an online dictionary rabbit hole I think "uphold", "maintain" and "at a certain level" are where interpretations may differ in terms of method.

 

Undeniably, etymologically speaking, to sustain has to do with supporting to keep in existence.

 

Do we need a different word?

 

Bernie 

 

On Wed, 5 Nov 2025, 17:17 Juan Pablo Alperin, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

And why does a journal need a path for steady expansion? It sounds to me like S2O was working perfectly well for actually sustaining the journals. Operational cost increases could likely be absorbed with incremental increases to the subscription price, or by changing the S2O targets to encourage additional subscriptions. The hunt for growth and profit making for journals is a scourge on the whole academic endeavour. 

 

On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 at 20:55, Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

AIP Publishing has announced that it is concluding its subscribe-to-open pilot program, observing that “while S2O offered a level of stability, it did not provide a path for scaling or monetizing the journals’ steady expansion. With operational costs increasing, this balance was not sustainable for the long term.”

 

More here:

 

https://publishing.aip.org/about/news/evolving-our-open-access-strategy-aip-publishing-concludes-the-subscribe-to-open-pilot/

 

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