I originally used 'non-traditional library funding', then 'non-library funding' in my OA biz model classification <https://insights.uksg.org/articles/10.1629/uksg.667>, but was asked by peer reviewers to adopt 'sponsored' following DeltaThink's terminology <https://deltathink.com/news-views-sponsored-journals-update/>. As with most terms, there are a wealth of different interpretations for 'sponsored'. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 at 14:23, Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > The notion brought forward by the word "sponsorship" comes from an > > > erroneous view that scholarly publishing is first and foremost a > business. > > > > That’s very interesting – I would have said that the notion brought > forward by the word “sponsorship” is the view that when an institution > undertakes to fully support a publishing endeavor, that institution can > reasonably be characterized as its “sponsor.” > > > > I’m genuinely surprised to see such strong opposition to that use of the > term in this context. > > > > --- > > Rick Anderson > > University Librarian > > Brigham Young University > > (801) 422-4301 > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > *From: *Juan Pablo Alperin <[log in to unmask]> > *Date: *Tuesday, October 15, 2024 at 6:57 PM > *To: *Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> > *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject: *On the co-option of the term "diamond" > > > > Changing the subject to not distract from the Open Research in MENA forum, > but continuing on the conversation started there. I'll leave Danny's > invitation for further conversation at that forum here: > > > > If anyone is interested I will be talking about open infrastructure (as > opposed to commercial infrastructure that supports open research, described > as ‘open research infrastructure’) at the 3rd Annual Forum for Open > Research in MENA (Middle East and North Africa). “The Commercial Cash Cow > Trap – why we should redirect infrastructure investment towards open”. The > session is on 21 October 9:30 - 11:00am in Qatar (6:30am UTC) > > Registration is free <https://lnkd.in/gMBRRFBp> for online attendees. > > > > Now, my thoughts on "Diamond OA": > > > > The notion that Diamond journals are "free-to-read-free-to-publish > journals whose costs are covered by a sponsor" is still problematic. The > majority are not "sponsored" in the usual sense of the word. Most > importantly, Diamond journals are not journals that are in need of a > "model" for sustainability. > > > > Most Diamond journals are sustained using the same "model" as other > research activities: through a combination of faculty interest and > involvement, institutional in-kind and cash supports, and (usually > government) research funding. This is the exact same "business model" that > I use to support my research agenda as a faculty member. Somehow, my > research program continues to be "sustainable" thanks to various forms of > "sponsorship". > > > > The notion brought forward by the word "sponsorship" comes from an > erroneous view that scholarly publishing is first and foremost a business. > It is not, and Diamond journals is a term that can only serve its function > if it is not co-opted. "Diamond" needs to stand for something other than > "no APCs" if it is going to be a meaningful term. The moment we concede > that "Diamond" is a way to describe journals in search for a business > model, we have allowed the term to be co-opted (and thank you, Danny, for > drawing attention to the co-option in this space through your blog post). > > > > Not exactly about the same thing, but we recently published a letter > <https://direct.mit.edu/qss/article/doi/10.1162/qss_c_00331/124449/We-need-to-rethink-the-way-we-identify-diamond> > in QSS to alert the bibliometrics community. When looking at price lists to > estimate APCs, we did find various examples of journals with $0 APCs > (usually as a promotional strategy) and others that had APCs covered by > societies or other entities. These are still APC-journals that could indeed > be described as "sponsored", but certainly not as "diamond". > > > > Marc-André Simard, Leigh-Ann Butler, Juan Pablo Alperin, Stefanie > Haustein; We need to rethink the way we identify diamond open access > journals in quantitative science studies. *Quantitative Science Studies* > 2024; doi: https://doi.org/10.1162/qss_c_00331 > > > > Juan > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 at 16:51, Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Responding briefly from my phone here to point out that agreeing with > Jean-Claude about appropriate taxonomy is fine, but Sara is correct that ad > hominem arguments are not welcome on this list. > > > > With my list owner hat on, I’m going to (again) remind everyone to avoid > personal attacks here. > > > > Thanks, > > Rick Anderson > > ----- > > Brief message from mobile device > > > > On Oct 15, 2024, at 5:46 PM, Danny Kingsley <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Hi, agreed about needing a productive dialogue Sara, but I also agree with > Jean-Claude in that ‘forking’ descriptions of OA is problematic. > > > > I have written about this after much discussion of the issue at FORCE2024 > and FSCI2024 - "Language co-option in the open space", Upstream Blog, 3 > September 2024, > https://upstream.force11.org/language-co-option-in-the-open-space/ > > > > It was also part of the plenary I shared with Dr Leslie McIntosh - Trust, > Global and All That Jazz, 1 Aug 2024, FORCE2024 VIDEO: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4syIhPYeRg > > > > If anyone is interested I will be talking about open infrastructure (as > opposed to commercial infrastructure that supports open research, described > as ‘open research infrastructure’) at the 3rd Annual Forum for Open > Research in MENA (Middle East and North Africa). “The Commercial Cash Cow > Trap – why we should redirect infrastructure investment towards open”. The > session is on 21 October 9:30 - 11:00am in Qatar (6:30am UTC) > > Registration is free <https://lnkd.in/gMBRRFBp> for online attendees. > > > > Danny > > > > > > On 16 Oct 2024, at 9:21 am, Sara Rouhi <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > I’ll be attending remotely, Rick! > > > > Jean-Claude - the folks at Delta Think and others who are thinking about > OA taxonomies are not silly. They’re working with the existing problematic > verbiage. One could argue for them bringing more nuance to the language > but there’s no call for denigrating their work. > > > > I’d welcome a robust discussion of financial sustainability of > "free-to-read-free-to-publish journals whose costs are covered by a > sponsor" and the labels for such a model. Business models should be a topic > on this thread. If the label is the issue - then spell it out. "Free-to-read-free-to-publish > journals whose costs are covered by a sponsor" is a lot to type. I actually > think "sponsored journals" is fair and better than the weirdly extractive > language of the jewels/metals system. > > > > Note: a not-so-gentle reminder that humility and curiosity go a long way > to fostering a productive dialogue. > > > > My two cents, > > Sara > > > > Sara Rouhi > > Director, Open Science, Publishing Innovation > > AIP Publishing > > [log in to unmask] > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > > *From:* OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Jean-Claude > Guédon <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2024 6:09:39 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: [OPENCAFE-L] The 3rd Annual Forum for Open Research in > MENA Starts in Just 1 Week! > > > > Please, do not call "Diamond OA" "sponsored" as these silly people at > Delta Think do. When I saw that expression in Tasha Mellins-Cohen article > on OA business models, I said to myself: here we go again. Gold used to > mean OA through journals, with no reference to business models. Suddenly, > Gold became APC-Gold. Now Diamond, already burdened by a quasi synonym - > platinum - is going to be "sponsored OA" with the intimation of course that > it is not a real business model. Well, from that perspective, diamond is > not a business model, it is the result of a policy that says that > publishing is an integral part of research, and, like all research, it is > supported not by a business plan, but by various kinds of subsidies, many > of which are public. The NSF, in accepting to pay for page charges in the > 1950s, rested its case on precisely this argument. > > Jean-Claude Guédon > > Le 2024-10-15 à 14:47, Rick Anderson a écrit : > > In case anyone on the list is planning to attend and is interested, I’ll > be presenting a workshop at the Annual Forum on the strengths and > weaknesses of various open access publishing models. > > > > And even if you don’t attend the workshop, if you’re there, please grab me > and say hello! (I’ll be the only one in a bow tie.) > > > > --- > > Rick Anderson > > University Librarian > > Brigham Young University > > (801) 422-4301 > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > *From: *OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Nahil Nassar > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> > *Reply-To: *Nahil Nassar <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Date: *Monday, October 14, 2024 at 6:19 AM > *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject: *[OPENCAFE-L] The 3rd Annual Forum for Open Research in MENA > Starts in Just 1 Week! > > > > The 2024 Annual Forum will offer a series of carefully tailored > presentations and panels addressing key themes and topics related to the > advancement of Open Science policies and practices in research institutions > and research communities throughout the Arab world. We are honoured to have > the *Qatar National Library* <https://www.qnl.qa/en> as our Host Partner > for this event, and to have the continued support and funding from the *Knowledge > E Foundation.* <https://knowledgee.com/knowledge-e-foundation/> > > > > This year’s conference theme is: *Transforming Knowledge Into Action. *We > invite librarians, researchers, policy makers, higher-education > institutions to join us and work together towards a more open Arab world. > > > > Further to our earlier emails about this year’s Annual Forum for Open > Research (taking place 21-24 October in Doha, in partnership with the Qatar > National Library), I wanted to let you know that we have made *online > access* *free for all delegates*. > > > > With the ongoing financial and political difficulties faced by many across > the region, we have decided it is important that the event can be accessed > by everyone and the valuable discussions taking place can be shared > globally. In addition, we have listened to our community, and your many > requests for more affordable access options. Online registration will > therefore be free for all delegates who wish to join virtually (though we > hope many of our network will still decide to join in person in Doha). *I > hope you will share this information with friends, students and colleagues > across your network. * > > > > In addition, I wanted to let you know that we have further expanded our > programme to include a high-impact exploration of the open science > advancements made across the region, with a special opening roundtable > discussion from key regional stakeholders including the leaders of the > Association of Arab Universities, the Arab Scientific Research and > Education Network, the Africa Reproducibility Network and the Arab > Institute of Knowledge Management. > > > > Moreover, we are hugely honoured that this year’s Annual Forum will be > taking place under the Patronage of *His Excellency Dr Hamad Al Kuwari, *State > Minister of Qatar with the rank of Deputy Prime-Minister and President of > Qatar National Library. > > > > I do hope you will all be able to join us. 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