Dear Melissa, You stated: “If the librarians work at libraries that use one of the big discovery services (like EBSCO Discovery Service, Ex Libris Primo, Proquest Summon, WorldCat Discovery), they should be able to select entire packages of OA book titles (journals too) to make them all discoverable for their patrons without the librarians having to manage fast-changing files of MARC records in their own catalogues. The discovery services work with the "content providers" (usually publishers) to keep those lists fresh so the librarians don't have to.” This is exactly what we are doing with the OAPEN Library and the Directory of Open Access Books. While I do not think that covers *all* open access books, it will at least add a sizable number of titles to library catalogues. Kind regards, Ronald Snijder, PhD CTO/Head of Research OAPEN Foundation Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 PO Box 90407 2509 LK The Hague The Netherlands (My timezone is CET/CEST) email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> www.oapen.org<http://www.oapen.org/> ORCID: 0000-0001-9260-4941<https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9260-4941> Book time with me<https:[log in to unmask]>: https:[log in to unmask] From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Melissa Belvadi Sent: donderdag 29 augustus 2024 15:13 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] S2O ebook offers - seriously? If the librarians work at libraries that use one of the big discovery services (like EBSCO Discovery Service, Ex Libris Primo, Proquest Summon, WorldCat Discovery), they should be able to select entire packages of OA book titles (journals too) to make them all discoverable for their patrons without the librarians having to manage fast-changing files of MARC records in their own catalogues. The discovery services work with the "content providers" (usually publishers) to keep those lists fresh so the librarians don't have to. Aside from DOAB, I don't know of anyone who is trying to create a single comprehensive list with subject classification (STEM, etc.). I don't think a single snapshot list with all that biblio data would be particularly helpful, because new OA books are coming out all the time, so they'd need an update feed. OER textbooks are not really the same as professionally-published academic books and I would not expect to find them in the same list. I don't even know where "lecture notes" would fit into this at all. I don't think of those as formally published at all and they are findable all over the Internet with Google, or sadly in some sites that illegally encourage students to share them against their university/prof's policies. As to other monographs, the other huge category that is free all over the Internet is that of doctoral dissertations - a great many are available in the institutional repository of the university where the degree was earned. The EBSCO company provides a free database online for finding these: https://www.ebsco.com/products/research-databases/ebsco-open-dissertations Melissa Belvadi [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Make an appointment: https://mbelvadi.youcanbook.me/ ________________________________ From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Subbiah Arunachalam <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 11:04 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] S2O ebook offers - seriously? CAUTION: This email originated from outside of UPEI. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. If you are uncertain, please use the Report Message button in Outlook and delete this email. Friends, Is there a comprehensive list of all open access books and monographs including textbooks and lecture notes? Is it continuously updated as and when new OA books are published? Please also provide key bibliographic details including publisher name, ISBN, year of publication, etc. As of today, how many books are OA and how many of them are in the areas of STEM, Social Sciences, Humanities, etc.? I would be grateful for a quick reply. I would publicize the list through LIS-Forum, a group of close to 6,000 members, mostly in India, almost all of them academic and research librarians. With warm regards, Subbiah Arunachalam On Fri, 23 Aug 2024, 03:41 Potter, Peter, <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi Melissa. I understand the frustration, but I think we need to bear in mind that open access is relatively new to book publishing—especially in comparison to journal publishing. Remember that journals made the shift from print to digital in the early 2000s. This in turn laid the foundation for experimentation with OA business models, from APCs to Subscribe to Open. By contrast, book publishing remains, even today, relatively print-centric. While sales of print books have been in steady decline for decades, print has been, and continues to be, the primary revenue source for scholarly publishers. Until the pandemic, demand for eBooks was relatively modest, and OA is only relevant in the digital realm. It's not surprising, therefore, that we started to see widespread experimentation with OA book business models later than was the case with journals. Knowledge Unlatched began in 2012, Luminos in 2015, and TOME in 2016. Even so, I think it’s safe to say that we still haven’t landed on a business model that has the potential to do at scale for books what S2O appears to be doing for journals. So far, at least, books don’t have a counterpart to journal subscriptions. I’m, of course, oversimplifying, but the basic point I’m trying to make here is that we shouldn’t be too surprised that OA has been slower to take hold in book publishing than it has in journal publishing. At least from where I sit (I lead open access eBook initiatives for De Gruyter and its partner publishers), OA whitewashing doesn’t come into it. Peter Potter De Gruyter eBound 121 High Street, Third Floor Boston, MA 02110, USA [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Visit UPLOpen<https://uplopen.com/> From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Melissa Belvadi <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 2:19 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: [OPENCAFE-L] S2O ebook offers - seriously? Hi, all. We keep seeing announcements from this and that academic ebook publisher proudly announcing some kind of ebook S2O offering, and later announcing that the targets were met for a particular year and listing the titles it would make available to all. When I look closely at these, it seems the small number of titles involved (as well as the inevitable idiosyncrasy of the topics covered, as books are wont to be individually) leaves me underwhelmed that this is a useful direction for either the publishers or the libraries supporting these S2O offers. Note that S2O journals are a whole separate matter; I'm only talking about ebooks/monographs here. We're probably looking at no more than a few hundred scholarly books published open via S2O across ALL publishers in a given year, compared with the tens of thousands total being published in that same year. Is this just the baby steps leading to eventually a larger scale? Or is this mostly a kind of OA-whitewashing and not intended to actually seriously contribute to moving the scholarly monograph industry towards OA? Or even something they need to do to check some kind of European OA requirement boxes that we in the North America aren't subject to? Or something in between, perhaps less cynical? I'd be interested in this group's thoughts. 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