Jumping in after being asleep for the discussion (!). This might be helpful to clarify the colour issue, from a colleague: Ensuring we have a common understanding of terms is important for negotiations and communication across regions and languages. These issues inspired the development of IFLA’s Open Access vocabulary that was developed over two years and launched in April 2024: https://www.ifla.org/news/a-common-goal-a-common-language-ifla-open-access-vocabularies-publication/ [link to resource is here: https://repository.ifla.org/handle/20.500.14598/3272] A second edition is planned for 2025 and more translations are being developed. Danny > On 12 Sep 2024, at 03:47, Ali Krzton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Although I know it's not a significant portion of the budget in most cases, I feel compelled to remind people on the list that some costs of publishing are still covered by individuals, either via subscription or APC. > > Ali K. > From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Bob Henkel <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 12:26 PM > To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > Subject: [EXT] Re: [OPENCAFE-L] The many colours of open access > > CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. > I beg to differ. The costs of publishing are covered by multiple sources; member dues allotment (a USPS requirement), subs, commercial and author reprints, translation sales, advertising sales (primarily print but additionally supported by online ads), and author fees. > > Subscriptions alone (or with author fees) in no way can cover the entire annual costs for producing high quality well vetted research journals. > > Bob Henkel > Senior Director, Publishing > American Society of Nephrology > 1401 H Street NW #900 > Washington, DC 20005 > p. 202-557-8360 > www.asnjournals.org > > From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Jean-Claude Guédon > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 1:20 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] The many colours of open access > > In the present system, the costs of publishing, and more (profits, etc) - i.e. the prices of subscriptions or APCs - are almost entirely covered by institutions (libraries - as conduits or not -, some funding agencies for APCs). So, the financing of publishing is not a good discriminating element to characterize grey literature specifically. The only difference is that grey literature, more often than not, is published directly by an "institution or other" (with perhaps the help of a printer, or web designer), while scholarly journals and books, etc., are published outside the institutions that pay for access of some sort to them (buying or licensing). > > Jean-Claude Guédon > > Le 2024-09-11 à 12:52, Toby Green a écrit : > This discussion got me thinking. If we call publications where the cost of publishing is ‘met entirely by an institution or other’, diamond (or platinum), does this make grey literature diamond (or platinum)? > > > Toby Green > Publisher, Policy Commons > https://policycommons.net <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__policycommons.net_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Qii8f-WszdFyo1COshUBFBq04kC3eaSPXXaSZIgrYY0&m=bL485xbKHR_zL7FW4MVlbnBt7Lr6zbYurosZXMt6QPZBoDvP6Ag-nHo66I5O8IRj&s=P1G51ZLeB6uuAetY80ZBiuECeQUKFE8K9ZPUqmu6aWY&e=> > > Coherent Digital LLC > https://www.coherentdigital.net <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.coherentdigital.net_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Qii8f-WszdFyo1COshUBFBq04kC3eaSPXXaSZIgrYY0&m=bL485xbKHR_zL7FW4MVlbnBt7Lr6zbYurosZXMt6QPZBoDvP6Ag-nHo66I5O8IRj&s=AQoEK5S-abM93MY2DO9nqNwyr-HMdpkNZGZieFzPp_o&e=> > > > Email: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Phone: +33 6 07 76 80 86 > Twitter: @tobyabgreen > > > > > > > > > On 10 Sep 2024, at 17:36, Henry Spilberg <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > At BMJ Group we historically used platinum and diamond interchangeably, but in recent years diamond has become standard to describe OA journals within our portfolio whose costs are met entirely by an institution or other. > > Thank you Danny for linking to your piece. > > Henry Spilberg > Senior Publisher, BMJ Group > > > > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 15:40, Jean-Claude Guédon <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > I did enjoy. A lot! Thank you. After my battle with "dark money" being thrown around wantonly, this was really nice to read. Thank you again. > > Incidentally, diamond was also name "platinum" in the past. 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