OK... Thank you. I was thinking about commercial publishers. However, once you take out subscriptions and APCs, how much revenue as a percentage of the total. Jean-Claude Guédon Le 2024-09-11 à 13:26, Bob Henkel a écrit : > > I beg to differ. The costs of publishing are covered by multiple > sources; member dues allotment (a USPS requirement), subs, commercial > and author reprints, translation sales, advertising sales (primarily > print but additionally supported by online ads), and author fees. > > Subscriptions alone (or with author fees) in no way can cover the > entire annual costs for producing high quality well vetted research > journals. > > Bob Henkel > > Senior Director, Publishing > > American Society of Nephrology > > 1401 H Street NW #900 > > Washington, DC 20005 > > p. 202-557-8360 > > http://www.asnjournals.org/ > > *From:*OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of > *Jean-Claude Guédon > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2024 1:20 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [OPENCAFE-L] The many colours of open access > > In the present system, the costs of publishing, and more (profits, > etc) - i.e. the prices of subscriptions or APCs - are almost entirely > covered by institutions (libraries - as conduits or not -, some > funding agencies for APCs). So, the financing of publishing is not a > good discriminating element to characterize grey literature > specifically. The only difference is that grey literature, more often > than not, is published directly by an "institution or other" (with > perhaps the help of a printer, or web designer), while scholarly > journals and books, etc., are published outside the institutions that > pay for access of some sort to them (buying or licensing). > > Jean-Claude Guédon > > Le 2024-09-11 à 12:52, Toby Green a écrit : > > This discussion got me thinking. If we call publications where the > cost of publishing is ‘met entirely by an institution or other’, > diamond (or platinum), does this make grey literature diamond (or > platinum)? > > > > Toby Green > > Publisher, Policy Commons > > https://policycommons.net/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__policycommons.net_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Qii8f-WszdFyo1COshUBFBq04kC3eaSPXXaSZIgrYY0&m=bL485xbKHR_zL7FW4MVlbnBt7Lr6zbYurosZXMt6QPZBoDvP6Ag-nHo66I5O8IRj&s=P1G51ZLeB6uuAetY80ZBiuECeQUKFE8K9ZPUqmu6aWY&e=> > > Coherent Digital LLC > > https://www.coherentdigital.net/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.coherentdigital.net_&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Qii8f-WszdFyo1COshUBFBq04kC3eaSPXXaSZIgrYY0&m=bL485xbKHR_zL7FW4MVlbnBt7Lr6zbYurosZXMt6QPZBoDvP6Ag-nHo66I5O8IRj&s=AQoEK5S-abM93MY2DO9nqNwyr-HMdpkNZGZieFzPp_o&e=> > > > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > Phone: +33 6 07 76 80 86 > > Twitter: @tobyabgreen > > > > > > > > On 10 Sep 2024, at 17:36, Henry Spilberg > <[log in to unmask]> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > At BMJ Group we historically used platinum and diamond > interchangeably, but in recent years diamond has become > standard to describe OA journals within our portfolio whose > costs are met entirely by an institution or other. > > Thank you Danny for linking to your piece. > > *Henry Spilberg* > > *Senior Publisher, BMJ Group* > > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 15:40, Jean-Claude Guédon > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I did enjoy. A lot! Thank you. After my battle with "dark > money" being thrown around wantonly, this was really nice > to read. Thank you again. > > Incidentally, diamond was also name "platinum" in the > past. 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