I'm inclined to agree about the law of unintended consequences, but I'm struggling to see how open licenses, specifically, allow work to be repurposed in ways you can't already do now with someone's book or paper. Prior to becoming a librarian my research field was evolutionary bio/bioanthropology, where controversial questions and research topics abound. People claimed research in those areas demonstrated all kinds of pet hypotheses. We can look at something like what the "redpill" community did with evolutionary psychology - that started twenty years ago, at least. What kind of "repurposing" does CC-BY permit that isn't already happening? Not trying to be contrary here...I genuinely want to understand. I certainly have my own concerns about what can happen with CC0 (public domain) and data, but that's probably because I am a data librarian and am more familiar with what's going on in that area. Best, Ali K. ________________________________ From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Rick Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2024 2:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] [EXT] Re: [OPENCAFE-L] Legislative opposition to the Nelson Memo continues to fail to die... Of course, “with attribution” can become an issue when one’s work is being repurposed in ways or for purposes with which the author disagrees. Imagine publishing research that deals in some way with inheritable characteristics, and that is then adapted for reuse by someone with an ideological agenda that you strongly oppose. A CC BY license makes just such reuse entirely acceptable, AND requires that your name be attached to it. The law of unintended consequences is both real and merciless. 😊 --- Rick Anderson University Librarian Brigham Young University (801) 422-4301 [log in to unmask] From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Scott Delman <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Scott Delman <[log in to unmask]> Date: Monday, August 19, 2024 at 1:44 PM To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] [EXT] Re: [OPENCAFE-L] Legislative opposition to the Nelson Memo continues to fail to die... Angela, This is very interesting and also a bit concerning with regards to the “attribution” aspect. That remains the single most important issue for authors with respect to sharing licenses and also having scholarly Works ingested and trained on by LLMs…..without attribution as a firm requirement, the entire ecosystem will become even more fraught with plagiarism and other forms of misconduct…. Regards, Scott Delman ACM Director of Publications Assoc. Computing Machinery 1601 Broadway, 10th Floor New York, New York 10019 Office: +1-212-626-0659<tel:+12126260659> Mobile: +1-212-729-7515<tel:+12127297515> Fax: +1-212-869-0481<tel:+12128690481> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Skype: scott.delman https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottdelman ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0381-0696 From: OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Angela Cochran <[log in to unmask]> Date: Monday, August 19, 2024 at 2:23 PM To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [OPENCAFE-L] [EXT] Re: [OPENCAFE-L] Legislative opposition to the Nelson Memo continues to fail to die... Please note that the NIH draft policy requires grantee/authors to make the following attestation: "I hereby grant to NIH, a royalty-free, nonexclusive and irrevocable right to reproduce, publish, or otherwise use this work for Federal purposes, and to authorize others to do so. This grant of rights includes the right to create derivative works and make the final, peer-reviewed manuscript publicly available upon the Official Date of Publication." The NIH is not requiring a CC BY license but is requiring that they get the same rights without any requirement for attribution. This directly relates to language in the appropriation reports. Public comments on the NIH draft policy are due today and there will likely be a lot of commentary on this. 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