OK... Thank you. I was thinking about commercial publishers. However,
once you take out subscriptions and APCs, how much revenue as a
percentage of the total.
Jean-Claude Guédon
Le 2024-09-11 à 13:26, Bob Henkel a écrit :
>
> I beg to differ. The costs of publishing are covered by multiple
> sources; member dues allotment (a USPS requirement), subs, commercial
> and author reprints, translation sales, advertising sales (primarily
> print but additionally supported by online ads), and author fees.
>
> Subscriptions alone (or with author fees) in no way can cover the
> entire annual costs for producing high quality well vetted research
> journals.
>
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> *From:*OpenCafe-l <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of
> *Jean-Claude Guédon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2024 1:20 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [OPENCAFE-L] The many colours of open access
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> In the present system, the costs of publishing, and more (profits,
> etc) - i.e. the prices of subscriptions or APCs - are almost entirely
> covered by institutions (libraries - as conduits or not -, some
> funding agencies for APCs). So, the financing of publishing is not a
> good discriminating element to characterize grey literature
> specifically. The only difference is that grey literature, more often
> than not, is published directly by an "institution or other" (with
> perhaps the help of a printer, or web designer), while scholarly
> journals and books, etc., are published outside the institutions that
> pay for access of some sort to them (buying or licensing).
>
> Jean-Claude Guédon
>
> Le 2024-09-11 à 12:52, Toby Green a écrit :
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> This discussion got me thinking. If we call publications where the
> cost of publishing is ‘met entirely by an institution or other’,
> diamond (or platinum), does this make grey literature diamond (or
> platinum)?
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> On 10 Sep 2024, at 17:36, Henry Spilberg
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> At BMJ Group we historically used platinum and diamond
> interchangeably, but in recent years diamond has become
> standard to describe OA journals within our portfolio whose
> costs are met entirely by an institution or other.
>
> Thank you Danny for linking to your piece.
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> *Henry Spilberg*
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> On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 15:40, Jean-Claude Guédon
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> I did enjoy. A lot! Thank you. After my battle with "dark
> money" being thrown around wantonly, this was really nice
> to read. Thank you again.
>
> Incidentally, diamond was also name "platinum" in the
> past. Does anyone have more information about this?
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le 2024-09-09 à 18:58, Danny Kingsley a écrit :
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> Hi all,
>
> This is a post I wrote post-FORCE11 reflecting the
> many discussions we had at the event about the use and
> mis-use of words in the open space.
>
> "Language co-option in the open space" -
> https://upstream.force11.org/language-co-option-in-the-open-space/
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> Enjoy!
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